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Polgara Val · May 27, 2010, 08:10 PM // 20:10

This thread is highly amusing, im sure the mods and probably Anet are amused by this superb display of feeling sorry for thyselves.

Please continue.

Pol

Bob Slydell · May 27, 2010, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by lorenna

just because someone cheats on a GAME does not mean they dont have morals or ethics..if u played monopoly with a friend..which is also a game btw also and they cheated u wouldnt say OMFG IM NEVER GOING TO PLAY WITH YOU AGAIN YOU CHEATED! if i was playing poker for real money and someone cheated..thats different. but i dont play guild wars for money. i play for fun if others bot it doesnt hurt me ..its wrong though because its against the user agreement and thats why i asked me friends not to do it but they diddnt listen. i buy my things from the ncsoft store and i still get them weither people bot or not. if i want a high end mini or wep i save for it and i feel better at the end of the day cause i earned it through running/farming or whatever else i do. not through botting or scaming or power trading which in my opinion is wrong cause it is at the expense of others. with running they wouldnt pay if they diddnt want to so i see no problem with it.
i can see your point though about punishing everyone it did need to happen but i still wish they would have done a very long ban and taken their stuff and a warning..those who did it again arent gonna learn so perma ban em. some of them might not have done it again. i know all of my friends bar 1 wouldnt have..but that guy i think deserves the ban. 1 of my friends did 1 once never again and hes banned. i could make more friends your right..but ive been playing since april 2005. there is not 1 thing in this game i havnt done besides the new content they reciently added..so the only reason i played was to play with friends their just isnt any point anymore cause i cant see this new content with them..i could make new friends yeh..but they wont be the friends ive been playing guild wars with for 2-4 years. point is they arent there i dont wanna be either if we all find a new game together that we can play even if i have to pay monthly i will. they were in the wrong yeh and they needed to be punished some how but their still my friends and have done nothing wrong towards me.

They already had their "Warning", it's called a 5 year old EULA.

Gennadios · May 27, 2010, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by lorenna

just because someone cheats on a GAME does not mean they dont have morals or ethics..if u played monopoly with a friend..which is also a game btw also and they cheated u wouldnt say OMFG IM NEVER GOING TO PLAY WITH YOU AGAIN YOU CHEATED! [MASSIVELY HARD TO READ UNPARAGRAPHED WALL OF TEXT FOLLOWING, POSTER NEEDS TO LEARN TO SPLIT IDEAS INTO SECTIONS]

Actually I would. I actually play boardgames and have LAN Parties with friends on a regular basis. We may intentionally dick around and sabotage each other in games, difference is, that kind of behavior doesn't require changing game files or rules for boardgames, and the victimized player is more than capable of retaliation.

The fact that you'd even consider doing something to 'friends' you actually interact with... wow. Talk about lack of scruples.

Whisper Evenstar · May 27, 2010, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

I'm pretty sure if Anet just issued a 2 week ban on everyone who was suspected of botting and possibly wiping their platinum/ectos, it would've been more than enough to kill the momentum while still giving the players a chance to reflect on their misdemeanors.

There is no reflection... there is only ban

code · May 27, 2010, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

They already had their "Warning", it's called a 5 year old EULA.

5 year old EULA that was seemingly not being enforced

Karate Jesus · May 27, 2010, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

They already had their "Warning", it's called a 5 year old EULA.

^ this. If you are whining about the bans for botting, then you were most likely botting. All of the rest of us are happy. You should see the celebrations in some of the PvP guilds I play in.

Most of us are very, very happy about this.

code · May 27, 2010, 08:20 PM // 20:20

It is very hard for me not to think of Godwin's Law reading this thread because the replies from the "innocent" people seem to be calling for it.

Bob Slydell · May 27, 2010, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by code

5 year old EULA that was seemingly not being enforced

For the last time, It doesn't matter if it was enforced or not. It stands for End User License Agreement, meaning the end user - you - need to agree to the license given. And if you don't do so... well you're shit out of luck.

Del · May 27, 2010, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

For the last time, It doesn't matter if it was enforced or not. It stands for End User License Agreement, meaning the end user - you - need to agree to the license given. And if you don't do so... well you're shit out of luck.

Quoted for truth.

code · May 27, 2010, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

For the last time, It doesn't matter if it was enforced or not. It stands for End User License Agreement, meaning the end user - you - need to agree to the license given. And if you don't do so... well you're shit out of luck.

There are customer protection laws in place for that very reason.
At the time when you bought the game, you were not aware of its EULA.
IANAL but I recall there even being an intellectual property law that makes permanent bans from any one-time-paid service illegal.

But then again, this is a game, so there is not always enough reason to pursure legal matters.

IlikeGW · May 27, 2010, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by code

5 year old EULA that was seemingly not being enforced

Oh well if there's not a cop standing next to a car go ahead and steal it and never have another worry about it.

tcratty · May 27, 2010, 08:28 PM // 20:28

yes they got what they deserved THEY ARE CHEATERS and not only did they do it with one account they did it with numerous accounts (i have seen people say they had up to 15 accounts) i mean really it wasnt enough that they were CHEATING on one account they went out and spent real money so they cheat even more to get fake money so yea they got what they deserved they should also ban there IP address so they cant do it again as far as im concerned once a CHEATER always a CHEATER

Bob Slydell · May 27, 2010, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by code

There are customer protection laws in place for that very reason.
At the time when you bought the game, you were not aware of its EULA.
IANAL but I recall there even being an intellectual property law that makes permanent bans from any one-time-paid service illegal.

But then again, this is a game, so there is not always enough reason to pursure legal matters.

Cut the stupid bullshit nonsense already. When you go buy an MMORPG from a store, 100% of time time the MMO is run by a company who states it is against it's EULA to bot. End of story dude. But if you want to keep mumbling on and making yourself look like a bloody fool, be my guest.

code · May 27, 2010, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by IlikeGW

Oh well if there's not a cop standing next to a car go ahead and steal it and never have another worry about it.

Correction: There is a cop standing next to the car and watches a bunch of people steal it *completely ignoring them*, but if you steal a bike he will sentence you to death.

Proof by analogy is fraud.

cormac ap dunn · May 27, 2010, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Bob Slydell

For the last time, It doesn't matter if it was enforced or not. It stands for End User License Agreement, meaning the end user - you - need to agree to the license given. And if you don't do so... well you're shit out of luck.

This man has the win. Sorry code, but hard facts win over childish hopes everytime.

Karate Jesus · May 27, 2010, 08:35 PM // 20:35

This thread has officially become a joke.

code, you should stop. This isn't even funny. If you botted, then it sucks to be you. If you didn't, then why do you care? Rejoice with the rest of us.

SunfallE · May 27, 2010, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Yes termination was appropriate. It's amazing how people will suddenly want a second chance or lesser sentence once they've actually been caught cheating. The solution is simple, don't do it in the first place. Not that hard really.

code · May 27, 2010, 08:41 PM // 20:41

I am not defending bots, I am defending the *gasp* people behind the accounts that got permanently suspended.

Ka Tet · May 27, 2010, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by code

I would say the atmosphere that ArenaNet created in their competitive game by allowing players to keep using bots over a long period of time in Players vs Player combat, without ANY sign of acknowledgement is what has undoubtedly tipped quite a few people over the edge.

I agree.
Rough analogy: Imagine that you start an amateur MMA league with a rule of no low blows. Imagine further that some competitors disregard those rules and hit their opponents below the belt to gain an advantage. Imagine that these people go unpunished for these actions and are allowed to continue competing and the governing body maintains absolute silence on these events.
What's going to happen? Many competitors will quit the league. Others will become frustrated with the situation and begin using low blows themselves. Some will just continue to get hit in the nuts and accept it.
Does this mean that anyone hitting below the belt is justified? No.
Does this mean that the governing body is just as complicit as those who used low blows? Absolutely.
When you thank Anet/NC for the bans, also make sure to thank them for encouraging people to repeatedly hit you in balls.

Bob Slydell · May 27, 2010, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by code

I am not defending bots, I am defending the *gasp* people behind the accounts that got permanently suspended.

Why?????????